$1, 460,000 a year? eh! That's less than one 20 cent ice cream cone per publisher a year! Go Caleb & Sophia!
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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents
by Simon injudge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.
imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.
by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.
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Jehovah protects his people. Did he ever protect you?
by TimeBandit inhello forum.
i started this topic because i had been thinking recently about a story that i had heard many times in different congregations over the years.
kind of a jw urban legend if you will.
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A STAKE in the HEART of Watchtower TRUTH (A Thought Experiment)
by TerryWalstrom inis this the same religion?.
a whim isn’t falsifiable.. .
answer: is it testable?
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What Religious Trajectory Are The JWs Following?
by millie210 ini was reading another thread and the comments got me thinking.... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5656910430732288/pictures-tell-thousand-words.
comments such as oldskools: more like digital colonialism channeled through one of the weaker and less important institutions western society has to offer.. .
some have compared the orgs future path to the world wide church of gods.
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Yes Millie, I agree... When I was in school, the Catholic Church ruled! No meat on Fridays.... Ex-communicated meant "lose your families forever." The Pope.... kiss his pinky ring? hmm? Blessed by the Pope/ Priest/ elders?
I totally see the connection/ parallel between the old Catholic Church and the GB of today
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After 15-17 years JW daughter coming by for a visit today.
by James Mixon inis something going on in jw land i don't know about.
she and her new husband and my two.
grand daughters, one i have never seen.
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Awesome James! That is great she became a nurse! I worked at a hospital, and got to know the nurses there, they work like a team, accept each other like family, maybe she is seeing that not EVERY one out there is evil. Maybe, just maybe they are helping her see the value of family?
If she had a great time with you, and you didn't talk "religion"... then she goes to the convention, she just might resent the shunning talk.
After having a "Bethelite" husband who was a 'jerk', she may just be realizing that there are better people out there (like you, the father) than she can find in the org.... She may even be realizing that you just may have had a good reason for leaving, and admiring your for taking a stand! Right?
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Terry's HOLLYWOOD MEMORIES
by TerryWalstrom inonce upon a time in hollywood.
i lived in los angeles in the 70’s and 80’s.
the idea was to create a career involving art.
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Thanks for writing Terry! Very interesting to see behind the scenes, I loved the part where you had to pretend you belonged on the set! Wish I had a picture of you
I didn't realize what a colorful life you had, even as a JW? you were an artist? lived in the Hollywood area? and had such great adventures? You are a great writer too.
My husband & I were going to Disneyland for our honeymoon in the 70s.... We may have passed each other on the freeways! Haha!
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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?
by OnTheWayOut ini don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.
they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.
but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.
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It is interesting that they are showing "bunker" videos... as "if" the GT is about to be upon us.....
And the fact that Warwick is the perfect place to retire to, just in case all the JWs get mad that they were deceived... Selling off property? That seems like they are getting all there ducks in a row, finances settled.
Kicking out Bethelites? Getting rid of D.O's, and older C.O's? Let's tidy up. Less literature? less work.
When I first heard that question, "will you be willing to do whatever is told to you even tho it seems strange from a human viewpoint?" I thought, "O.... M.... G...." what are they going to have people do next? Drink Kool Aid? Sell houses? Turn family members in? Be quiet as K Halls are sold? What will they be asked to do?
"New Light" is a card that the WT always holds in it's pocket, always ready to play. I could see them saying something like, "Just as in the last days of Jerusalem, the Jewish religion was not destroyed, so in our day it will be....... religions are NOT destroyed, but......" I can't even think like them anymore, but they are able to twist and turn ANY bible scripture into ANY 'new light' they need. They just need to "hint" at "great tribulation", gather their goods and be gone.
They are numerologists, and con men. What more do you need?
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Does the governing body know what they are doing?
by Gefangene inwhat do you guys think?.
are they only some uber religious zealots or do they pursue hidden agendas beyond religiosity?.
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I am with you, DataDog & Konceptual, they know what they are doing.
Just look in their eyes when Lett says 'it's all apostate lies" or Geoffrey Jackson responds to ARC's question, "will people get disfellowshipped if they celebrate Christmas?" "no" ...................
How about when Angus asked, "Is it not the case that, had Jesus been asked about a case of sexual abuse he may have referred back to this part of Deuteronomy, and said that it's not required to have two witnesses? (about a woman ALONE (no second witness) in a field with a man, getting raped and the man would have gotten stoned.)
Jackson coyly responds, "I certainly would like to ask Jesus that, and I certainly can't at the moment, but I hope to in the future"
Tony Morris.... can we just say "tight pants"? Look at his face.
And Splane? when he "splanes" the overlapping generations? "Don't we just love this new teaching?'
When these men are going to live in 'castles' and tell everyone else to live in poverty?
I am a woman, I wasn't even an elder, or CO or DO, but THEY have been. If I figured out that they were ripping people off at conventions & assemblies, lying that "we don't have enough $$ to cover expenses" when they actually plan to say that each time, and send the pre-planned amount off to Bethel each time.... They are in the backrooms, the elders meetings, the "memo room" .... They know. They might not CARE, they may be cold hearted, but they know.
They have invented the policies. They may not be in total control.... but they know.
They have seen behind the curtains.
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FYI My JW mom and Alzheimer's
by scary21 inone year ago today my mom passed away.
she was 91 years old.
it has been really hard on me because i never expected what happened, to.have happened.
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So sorry, Scary21, no child deserves to be unloved. This religion is a very dark one, that does not "build families up" but actually, tears them apart.
Do not think less of yourself. Hold your head up high, be proud of the fact that you no longer participated in carrying out the commands of the GB. It's not "going to 5 meetings" "Field service" and "conventions" that make you a good person.
As you can see, it is what a person does, who they are that is important. "Actions speak louder than words."
People's worth should not be measured by time on a time sheet, not "loyalty" to an organization.Love.... "all you need is love."
Hugs to you and your sister.
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Making fun of an elder, CO or GB'er, would it be considered brazen conduct or some other WT sin?
by oppostate inwould making fun of an elder, co or governing body member, be considered brazen conduct or some other wt sin, like apostasy?
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is it an actionable judicial matter, even?.
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